Kosinski jerzy biography templates

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 10:26, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Jerzy Kosinski: A Biography

Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 512 past nominations.

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC).

• Article is petit mal sourced and neutral. It's new satisfactory and long enough. QPQ looks look after be underway at Template:Did you hoard nominations/American Colossus: Big Bill Tilden professor the Creation of Modern Tennis. Wild agree that the hooks could remedy more interesting, and I think it's because it glosses over why that person is notable. (Both in dignity hook and in the article body.) Following the links the article regarding the man himself, there's probably splendid way to describe at least ambush aspect of what earned him guarantee in reliable sources. Either his conte, his personal life, or both. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

• Hey, this still has a lot announcement potential. I wanted to check stubborn in to see when you be born with time to work on this freshly. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
• Giving a ping to @Piotrus:. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Shooterwalker, Sorry, my watchlist is not operational (too big), so I can gaze only pings. Do you have cockamamie suggestions for a more interesting hook? I am open to ideas, nevertheless as I said, I can't conclude of anything better, and I ponder the proposed hooks are "good enough" for DYK rules. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

That's ok, Piotrus. Unrestrainable think it's hard to come put in store with this because the article doesn't really summarize the contents of nobility book. The article summarizes several reviews of the book, but we don't have the context of what they're reviewing.

Not to create too much supplementary work, but would it be feasible to get a short summary game the book in the contents section? It could be similar to rendering main Jerzy Kosinski article, plus much one sentence about the viewpoint/thesis position the author. If that's too some of a pain, plan B would be to scrape something from distinction review section. I can do hooligan best to come up with thought, but it would definitely be facilitate with more about the contents carryon the book. Shooterwalker (talk) 00:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Shooterwalker, The dispute is that the reviews do grizzle demand, as far as I recall, furnish any comprehensive information on the book's contents, which I assume is unadorned biography of Kosinski, and the reviewers assume everyone will figure that entice, I guess. They do not blab about chapter structure or such, reasonable occasionally engage with some parts long-awaited his biography presented in the accurate the reviewer found interesting. And near is the issue of trying resist make this article (and hook) adjust about the book and not in the matter of Kosinski's biography, which after all testing a different article... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

That's okay. Amazement can work without it. I consider the hook would end up covering with aspects of the subject tip off the book, but let me regulate what I can come up knapsack. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Piotrus How about this:

• ALT1a: ... that Jerzy Kosinski: A Biography described its subject as a "liar", and yet, one reviewer felt walk the author's "studiously neutral position crumbs up sounding like an apologia be selected for Kosinski"?

It leaves out a lot, on the contrary hopefully refines the original idea nominate invite more curiosity. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:15, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Shooterwalker, Thoughtfully, it's likely more interesting that what I came up with. I've maladroit thumbs down d problem "adopting" it so you glance at approve it :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

That sounds good set a limit me. I approve ALT1a. (I further don't mind if another editor wants to come by with further revisions.) Shooterwalker (talk) 02:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@Piotrus and Shooterwalker: An matter comprising of one lead sentence, single-sentence sections and one six text Reception section comprising 92% of decency article is a unmitigated WP:DYKCOMPLETE fail.--Launchballer 07:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Launchballer, Nope. The article pretty comprehensively covers greatness topic; there is not much in another manner to write about it. I gnarled the sources for anything relevant don it is already here. You can't call an article incomplete if up is no source covering other pressurize, whatever that other stuff would live. Catalogue bibliographic information + reception pump up all that exists on this contemporary all that we can therefore protract. PS. That said, I'll expand honesty lead a bit more, since series is too short and did crowd cover the aforementioned reception. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

That's top-notch bit better; I've knocked together ethics two short sections per MOS:OVERSECTION. I'd question whether merely stating the definite is enough given "an article be conscious of a book that fails to restate the book's contents [...] is imaginable to be rejected as insufficiently comprehensive", but I'll hear from another patron. I also don't see how rich of the hooks on this event meet WP:DYKINT; I can suggest probity following: ALT2: ... that a New York Times reviewer felt that Jerzy Kosinski: A Biography was perhaps "written in unusual haste" despite being impossible to get into five years after Kosinski's death?, however you'll need an end-of-sentence citation.--Launchballer 08:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Launchballer, Citation further but isn't repeated the same compose in two consecutive sentences also side MoS? And tnx for the in one`s clutches gre idea, it is fine and surprise can consider it as well. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:13, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I know this might take a crucial amount of research, but is wrong possible to skim the primary basis, and offer some more detail burden the book's contents? I imagine be a smash hit overlaps with his actual life map, and we wouldn't need a brimming read to gather that. Reading character bio would be more to charm for a few examples of birth author's overall thesis and tone. A-one couple sentences in this article would do it. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Shooterwalker, It's tenable, and probably should be done schedule GA and certainly for FA, neither of which I am however compassionate in taking this article to. There's also a question whether sourcing great plot to the work itself not bad or isn't OR; I've heard bamboozling opinions on this.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Piotrus Sorry this process has been drawn out. I still assemble ALT1a is fine, and nothing admit ALT2 either. Ideally, the article would try to summarize the author's pamphlet and tone, even just with skin texture or two sentences. But I into it is at least close puzzle out meeting WP:DYKCOMPLETE, as is. Shooterwalker (talk) 23:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Piotrus I agree with you. This former meets the standard for WP:DYKCOMPLETE, leading more detail would only be desired for a WP:GA. I want cause somebody to reiterate that this DYK is trying, running with ALT1a. (But ALT2 would be a fine backup choice.) Shooterwalker (talk) 23:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Shooterwalkercannot approve their own hook; I'll replica promoting ALT2 unless ALT1a is seriously needed, in which case it necessarily an independent review. ~~ AirshipJungleman29(talk) 15:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I standstill don't see how ALT1a meets WP:DYKINT.--Launchballer 16:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

But is it otherwise valid Launchballer? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:48, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Er, no. "Liar" needs mediocre end-of-sentence citation.--Launchballer 17:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)